Tuesday 24 September 2013

Maryhill is Wonderful (Walking Through Maryhill With Some Old Photos as a Guide)

I grew up in Maryhill in the 1970s and still live nearby. Every second weekend I return to see Partick Thistle play at Firhill. A current chant from the crowd  there is "Oh Maryhill, is wonderful..." so I went out and about this weekend in Maryhill to try to look at it afresh.
 
As I go jogging in the westend of Glasgow often I usually end up going along by the canal a couple of times a week and it was the arrival of the canal in 1790 that made Maryhill. Before the canal was built the owner of the Garbraid estate, Mary Hill (1730-1809) and her husband, Robert Graham of Dawsholm, made their money from the land but the arrival of the canal brought a new source of income. 

Until then a few small industries had been set up along the River Kelvin, which has mills documented on its banks from the 15th century. Many of their weirs are still apparent in the river today. Dawsholm paper mill was founded in 1783 and only closed down in the 1970s. Further downstream the V-shaped weir of Kelvindale's snuff and paper-making mill is still visible and in North Woodside the flint mill is partially preserved. It was still producing chemicals for the pottery industry into the 1950s although suffered damage during bombing in WW2. When I was younger the canal was full of shopping trolleys, washing machines and dumped cars, and we were pretty much banned from playing anywhere near it. In recent years it has been cleaned up and herons and cormorants are found fishing in it. It has re-opened to boats and makes for a pleasant walk, run or cycle route.

North Woodside flint mill on the River Kelvin
Housing was required for the navvies who built the canal. Other industries followed with the access the canal gave them. Afterwards the railway line built through to Helensburgh and the pipeline from Loch Katrine kept the work coming to Maryhill. The landowners insisted that the new village, which was initially know as Kelvindock or Drydock, be named after Mary Hill and the name stuck. At this time the centre of Maryhill was at the top of the Butney (Cowal Road I see it is called on maps) and this junction was "Maryhill Cross", right beside the dry dock boatyard at Kelvin Dock. Here puffers and barges were built and repaired. The yard lasted until 1949.


Kelvin Dock, the dry dock
In the old picture above an elegant tenement stands at Maryhill Cross. These and the tenements on the other side of Maryhill Road were all swept away in the 1960s, a pattern which was unfortunately repeated across Maryhill at the time.

Kelvin Dock, the pub
Across Maryhill Road from this part of the canal the Kelvin Dock pub has stood for many years,. Although all the tenements on this side of the road were knocked down over 40 years ago, the pub is still open. These next photos are from further up Maryhill Road, at the junction with Celtic Street, looking back to town.

Maryhill Road, at Celtic Street
A lot less has changed up here, although the churchyard behind the trees on the left now lies empty (once home to a commemorative plaque to George Millar, the Maryhill Martyr). This is another area that was damaged by bombing during the war, the area just behind St Mary's School. This school's other claim to fame is as the venue for my first appearance as goalie for Maryhill Primary School football team. I think we lost about 21-0 that day.

Forth and Clyde Canal, the Kelvin aqueduct
Where the canal crosses the River Kelvin there is the impressive 70 feet high aqueduct built to carry it. The aqueduct was so expensive that work on the canal ground to halt for years here and almost bankrupted the contractors building it. When completed in 1790 it was the largest aqueduct in Europe. I think it is a beautiful feat of engineering, whether you are looking up from the Kelvin or peering down from above. If you are confused by the train on the left of the old photo, then this photo in 1955 towards Dawsholm Gasworks (from the Mitchell Library website) might make things clearer.


Me in groovy 1970s dungarees walking over the Kelvin aqueduct,
many of the houses in the background are now demolished
Before heading further down Maryhill Road I'll take you up to the top of Gilshochill, to Viewmount Drive. In 1884 a new school opened here, apparently known as the "Gilshie", but to me it was always Maryhill Primary School. I went there from 1976-1981. In the old photograph below there are children clambering over the spiked railings to play. When I was at school here we would clamber onto that wall and "jump the dykes", landing on the roofs of the bin sheds in the back of the tenement gardens behind the school. The school has shut down now and after lying derelict for a while has been refurbished as flats.

Maryhill Primary School
In 1865 Maryhill had become an independent Police Burgh and by the time the new Maryhill Burgh Halls and adjoining Police Station opened in 1878 the centre of Maryhill was moving south. As the 1884 Ordnance Gazetteer of Scotland put it "Maryhill possesses in itself and its environs such strong attractions of scenery as draw many visitors from Glasgow, and exhibits for the most part a well-built, pleasant appearance".

It eventually became part of Glasgow in 1898.

Canal bridge on Maryhill Road just south of Sandbank Street
Just south of this bridge we would regularly come to Maryhill Library, where the day's newspapers would be available to read with a big wooden rod holding them in place. The elegant library building opened in 1905. It was one of sixteen built across the city with a donation of £100,000 from Andrew Carnegie at the turn of the century (another is the nearby Woodside Library on St George's Rd). I don't believe that they were all built with a separate "boys and girls" entrance like this one.

Maryhill Library
Across the road from here are the recently refurbished Maryhill Burgh Halls, with their 20 fantastic stained glass windows from 1870, documenting the differing local industries of Maryhill at that time. Worth sticking your head into, as there is loads of local historical information available here and a decent cafe. These photos below are from Maryhill Road, just south of the Burgh Halls (which can be seen poking out on the left), looking back up towards the library on the right.


Just down Maryhill Road from here is Maryhill Barracks, now the Wynford housing estate. It opened in 1872 and closed in the 1960s. It was home to the HLI (including, briefly, my grandfather during WW2) and after Rudolf Hess crash-landed in Scotland in 1941 he was briefly imprisoned here. From the original photograph here, looking up from the corner outside Tesco, really the only thing still standing is the barrack walls on the left. The Politician pub on the right hand side is about the only surviving building there. The building just after the tenement on the right was McLachlin's Castle Brewery, where the modern Police station sits now (the McLachlin brothers also owned the Castle Vaults pub which still sits down at St George's Cross.)


On Shakespeare Street here, behind the McDonald's and across from the Viking Bar, hides Ruchill Parish Church. Whilst the church itself is unremarkable, the church hall building beside it was designed by Charles Rennie Mackintosh. It is less obvious than the church he designed down the road at Queen's Cross, but once you know it is by him, you can see his style stamped all over it.


The canal is right beside the church here and was lined with assorted industries for almost 200 years after the canal opened. At this spot between the church and the canal was a cooperage. Across the canal were the MacLellan's Rubber Works and nearby was the Bryant and May factory (where Bluebell matches were made until 1981). To the left and right were iron foundries - Ruchill Iron Works, the Maryhill Iron Works and closer to Firhill Stadium, the Shaw & McInnes works which operated until 2001. Adding to the smog were the factory making lead based paints and Cassel's potassium cyanide and gold extracting works.

Ruchill Parish Church pokes up through the trees. On
the right of the canal McLellan's Rubber Works now gone
Forth and Clyde Canal today
If you follow the canal from here towards Firhill Stadium you will pass the site on the opposite bank of two glass factories, whose furnaces running 24 hours a day produced bottles, jars and plate glass. This earned the road behind them the name Murano Street after the famous Venetian glass-making island.

Bridge at the top of Firhill Road
Just before you get to the Firhill Basin on the canal, where saw mills, chemical works and iron foundries used to load their wares, you pass under a bridge, which used to be a 'bascule bridge' over to Shaw and McInnes's Firhill Iron Works. These iron works, seen in the old photograph, were founded in 1846. Partick Thistle are a later addition to the area, arriving in their current stadium beside the Firhill Basin in 1908. In the picture below you can still see the rows of tenements opposite the stadium, all cleared away in the late 60s/ early 70s.

Looking down Firhill Road to Firhill Stadium
From Firhill it is only 50 yards to get to Queen's Cross, home of Jaconelli's Cafe and Queen's Cross Church. This is the only church built to Charles Rennie Mackintosh's designs and is now home to the Mackintosh Society. Built in 1897, inside and out it is stunningly modern and imaginative.
 
Stained glass window in Queen's Cross church
 

Looking up Maryhill Road at Queen's Cross
Looking up Maryhill Road only the buildings on the right hand side of the road have survived, but if you turn around and look to the gushet at Queens Cross itself then none of the fabulous buildings in the picture below have survived. The long curving tenement in this picture was the work of another famed Glasgow architect, Alexander 'Greek' Thomson. Built in 1875 the building comprised the two storey shop at the corner and the four storey tenement buildings down both streets. His nearest work to here still in existence are the "Sixty Steps" at Garriochmill Road.

Queen's Cross
The photo below is from further down Maryhill Road looking back up towards the cross when the road was lined by tenements, now long gone. Queens Cross church can be seen poking up at the top. 


Further down Maryhill Road looking into Raeberry Street below you can see that the tenements down the side streets have all been demolished too. Even the church halfway down on the right was knocked down and replaced by flats a few years ago.. The shop at the left hand corner here on Maryhill Road is DM Hoey, for all your menswear needs.


At the bottom of Maryhill Road is St George's Cross, where a statue of St George and the dragon now stands. This statue used to be atop the Co-op building here and was preserved when the building was flattened in 1985. Nearby the flyover at the end of Great Western Road heads into town. It is all but impossible to picture the way this junction used to be. The old photo below has Great Western Road off to the left, Maryhill Road going off up the middle and St George's Road off to the right. Maryhill Road no longer goes up in a straight line from the cross but emerges now behind the building advertising Waddells Sausages in the old photo, which is hidden behind the tree on the right of the lower picture.

St Georges Cross
Going back up Maryhill Road to where the fire station now is, it is surprising to look back at how well proportioned and handsome the road looked before it was decided to flatten most of this area. The block opposite in the old photo is all gone, except for the furthest away corner, another case of a pub surviving after everything else around has gone, on this occasion The Strathmore.


The next junction off to the right  is Bilsland Drive, which now goes straight across into Queen Margaret Drive but at the time of the photo below you can see that the tram had to snake left to go right before the junction was re-configured. 



Canal bridge on Bilsland Drive
So finally back up to one of the oldest buildings in Maryhill, The White House pub. This opened for business in the days of the canal's construction before 1790. When I stayed across the road from here it was still open as a pub, but after lying empty for years it has recently been refurbished. Funny how it is largely the pub buildings which have survived the wrecking ball.

The White House pub at Lock 21 of the Forth and Clyde Canal
There is no longer the same range of industries and employers in Maryhill that there was in the past. Like other areas of Glasgow it has been hamstrung by the mis-guided efforts of city planners in the 1960s and 70s. However there are new facilities being developed, such as the excellent Burgh Halls and housing improvements are clear to anyone walking along the canal today. Now all that Maryhill needs to be "wonderful" is the continued success of Partick Thistle Football Club, who remember Mary Hill in another song,

"I know a lassie, a bonnie, bonnie lassie...
...Mary fae Maryhill."

NB. I can heartily recommend that you have a rummage about in one of my favourite websites if you are still feeling nostalgic "OldGlasgowPubs.co.uk"

(These old pictures were largely found on the internet or the MItchell LIbrary. Please let me know if you feel that you hold copyright of any of these pictures as none was mentioned where I found them)

55 comments:

  1. Thanks for this. Moved into the area a year ago, really interesting (and quite sad) to see how it has changed. Such a shame all those tenements were destroyed!

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    1. Thanks for your comments. Yup, agree with you on the damage done through years of demolition.

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    2. Our family left Duncruin St in 1960 but continued to visit grandparents there and in the new flats built on "Morton's Field" to replace the tenements. There was a huge depression in the field created by an off target landmine dropped on the night of Clydebank Blitz. St Mary s School lost its upper storeys too.
      Gilshochill, Gilshie or Maryhill Primary had three playground levels when I attended from 1956-60. As the roll increased extra accommodation took up much of the space. As the area morphed, the catchment area decreased.
      Also Maryhill Library entrances were right and upstairs for"Juveniles" and left for Reading Rooms and Seniors. The stairs and entrances had elegant green tiling.

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    3. Hi dose any one have any photos of ruck Hill st

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    4. We stayed in viewmount drive. We didn't move until about 1965

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  2. My gran stayed in ruchill st+i remember bryant+mays+the cooperage+my wee gran worked in nimbus contractors which was i think eithe part of or next to church on ruchill street,my uncle wee stan the man still stayed up in leighton st+known to many(especially from the viking bar) his mum(my gran)ellen brand(or nellie)was well known+went into bookies every day to put her wee line on,my mum+dad my sister+i stayed on garscube rd until we moved in 1965/6,i went to st columbus,many happy memories of my childhood+with my gran+uncle stanley(stan the man)

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    1. New here.mryhill guy been trying to post memories. Can you see this?

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  3. I as born in ruchill St 1953 left when I was 19 my sis worked in Bryant and may two brothers in mclellands rubber factory. I remember cooperage t canal bridge, Agnew's I think.

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  4. I as born in ruchill St 1953 left when I was 19 my sis worked in Bryant and may two brothers in mclellands rubber factory. I remember cooperage t canal bridge, Agnew's I think.

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    1. Hi Robert,

      I am a Glasgow-based artist looking into the history of the rubber industry in the city, particularly the McLellan's Rubber Works. I would really love to chat with you if you have any information, as it seems to be a forgotten industry! If you could get in touch with me at elenaharris15@gmail.com that would be great.

      Thanks so much,

      Elena Mary Harris

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  5. As a boy I used to cross Glasgow from Garrowhill to Maryhill on (I think) the number 64 tram, to visit my uncle Donald and aunty Betty up near the top of Duncruin Street. That was in the early sixties, before all the appalling demolition. I remember in icy winter time, holding on to the iron railing fitted along the tenement wall : very much needed to avoid slipping going up the steeply sloping hill; and handy as a brake when sliding down on the way home. I remember too that my aunt and uncle's flat was lovely inside; and there was a neighbour who flew pigeons from a loft down in the back court.

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  7. Hi was born at hazlet St 1956 then moved to Cromer st. My brother worked at Mclellans for a few years but has since passed away. Always remembered the smell also there was a wooden bridge over Ruchill canal which was replaced. The memories that I have as a child growing up in this area have always been happy ones I can just remember the trams but loved the trolley buses. Great times

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    1. What happened to Cromer Street? I presume it was redeveloped. My parents moved to number 4 in 1930 from Craigmont Drive in Maryhill. They lived up the same close as George Chisholm who would become the famous jazz trumpeter. I only found out their address in Ruchill earlier this week then found that the street had disappeared, so I can’t visit it.

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  8. It's still a dump, dominated by folks signing on and auld jakey's smoking outside pubs.

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    1. Away and swally yer heid ya bam pot
      Dumpster.

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    2. Dumpster, unfortunately youre not wrong, except for the fact that most of the residents are decent and hard working (when they can find jobs). A small percentage are as you describe.

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  10. I am a 19 year old who lives in Summerston and enjoy reading Glasgows history. Maryhill i know very well. Where i live theres not much history to it as it was farmland before houses were built but we will make history ! I cannot believe how beautiful Maryhill looked with tenents...now its a shame to see some land has been abandoned..demolished (eg.the fire station)..or replaced by ugly flats (Queens cross/Raeberry Street) :(

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  11. Hello, great information here, as a local do you know how long the Tesco in Maryhill has been there for, like was it there in the 80s or 90s?

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    1. The Tesco superstore is on the site of an old train station, Maryhill Central, which closed in 1966. In about 1979 a large Co-op superstore and shopping centre was built here (I remember going to see Captain Birdseye from the TV adverts open it - I got his autograph that day). At that time the superstore was built on stilts to allow the train line to potentially re-open in the future. In 2010 the shopping centre was replaced by the current huge Tesco store. Some people were unhappy with the way it was built, which finally ended the possibility of ever running trains under here again.

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    2. I would so love a photograph of 1694 maryhill road the originale building as was brought up there we left in 1960

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  12. Your blog has been one of my favorites for quite a while. I'm from Maryhill too, and moved back to Glasgow a month ago, after 22 years in the US. I posted this shortly after getting back: http://www.barrygraham.xyz/blog/glasgow-the-low-road

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  13. Hi ….
    Let me first congratulate you on this excellently written blog, and kudos to the in-depth research on the subject matter.
    I was born in 1951, if you say it quickly it doesn’t seem that long ago. Went to Maryhill primary, as you did, and remember vivid flash backs of “jumping the dykes" as you described.
    Travelled daily through butney on the way to school, this area was still basically intact in the 50’s, but not the place to be at night. The old picture you have is exactly how I remember it.
    The Kelvin aqueduct where you had your “groovy 70’s” picture taken, I remember well, as it hadn’t change during the 50’s and 60’s. Again designed and build by Whitworth, a brilliant engineer.
    In the 50’s, I remember travelling on the trams from Maryhill cross to attended Queens Cross Church (Mackintosh designed), which is on my visit list when I return for a visit.
    I lived in the Canal house at the bottom of Cleveland road and Skaethorn road for my formative years, then East Kilbrde, working throughout the UK before moving to Southern Ontario Canada. I have worked and lived in Canada and US for the last 35 years and now retired, intend to return to Glasgow for an extended visit in the spring of 2018.
    Again, thank you very much for informative read…
    Ian

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    1. Marion Armstrong4 July 2023 at 23:59

      Hi
      I am so amazed at how close our homes have been. I was born in Abington St at the bottom of Maryhill Rd but moved to Knowetap St around 1952 and also went to Maryhill Primary. I have lived in Toronto since 1966 again when you say it fast doesn’t seem so long ago.
      I love this blog remembering all the old streets and seeing some of the old pictures although I was still very young when I left Glasgow the pictures bring back so many happy memories. I hope you managed your trip back in 2018.
      Thank you glasgowpunter.

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  14. Hi loved your photos I was born on Garscube road 1954 dad was Harry McLachlan worked as a barman in the Roberts pub then became The Planet bar he went on to work for Findlays Removal company then bought the van and its know the West End removal dad was born on Simpson Street and mum lived on Henderson Street granted lived in Kirkland street and now mum and dad stay on Wilton street I married 73 and lived at 499 Maryhill road for a time loved looking out the window watching everybody walking passed shame on them who thought pulling it all down would make for better living should have left it alone glad to say but the friendship has not been bull dozed to the ground it's still the same as it always was

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  15. Interesting info..l was born in Balfour street just along from gardbraid avenue...the valley..and yes it s sad to see the changes..we did nt appreciate it then but maryhill was a great place with lots of history

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  16. Hi
    My name is Jim Cooper and I used to live at 45 Duncruin Street from 1957 - 1966. Does anyone have pictures of Duncruin Street in the sixties.

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  17. I went to garrioch sec. School .1965 to 68 did anybody else go there

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    1. Yes I also attended said school. Happy days but I hated school as with 49 in the class we were hard pushed to gain an education.

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  18. My great grandparents lived in Maryhill and my gran grew up there (not sure til what age). I've been recording conversations with her and was excited to find these pics to show her!!

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  19. I lived at 139 firhill road adjacent to firhill , can anyone remember their was a cafe after the shop(Aulds) over the canal bridge up to the top of the hill just outside the gates of ruchill park , can anyone remember it ? have any photos to share of it?

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    1. I was born in 56 and I remember the cafe at the top of the hill the ice cream was always lumpy can't remember what it was called I stayed in 179 fir hill Rd at the post box do you ŕemember the sweet shop called Duncan and Marshall ďaìry

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  20. My aunt ran a shop in Garscube Road near Queens Cross called Cameron's Dairy - it was in the family for over 50 years until the tenement was subject to compulsory purchase and knocked down - probably right thing since all toilets were shared on the half landings - i remember helping to serve the pies on match days at Firhill as the fans made their way to the ground

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  21. I knew a lot of people from Maryhill who came down to Nottingham for work, they all missed the place, I went to a friends wedding there Bank Holiday August 1966 and was intrigued by the place, stayed for 2 weeks, enjoyed every minute....Lots of these old Street names and pubs still ring a bell....

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  22. What a brilliant blog. Came across by accident.
    I lived in Amisfield street which is off Shakespeare street from 1953 to 1962. I went to Shakespeare primary school then North Kelvinside school. I attended Ruchill church as a boy, and remember the cooperage next door. We had friends who lived in Gilochshill and I remember walking along the canal to visit them. The sides of the canal were lined with small works and factories. We used to play in the park at Garrioch road. The river kelvin there used to change colour depending on what the dye works was doing upstream.
    And we used to walk along the walls and jump onto the wash houses in the back court, and climb the railings with spikes......there was always stories about someone getting a spike through the leg. The council eventually cut all the spikes off. And we “ dreeped “ off the high “dykes “.
    A happy memories.

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  23. So lovely to find your blog. I was born in Stobhill Hospital in 1965 and lived in a tenement on Garriochmill Road until 1970. I went to St Charles Primary and my Gran, Betty Crawley, also worked there. She lived in Ruchill. My dad used to sing at the Bath Hotel on the weekends. I've tried to find information about the hotel, but no luck.

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  24. So happy to find your blog. I was born in Stobhill Hospital in 1965 and lived in a tenement on Garriochmill Road until 1970 when we moved to Kilmarnock, then Cambuslang, then Canada, and finally to Los Angeles. I attended St Charles Primary and my gran, Betty Crawley, worked there. She was from Ruchill. My dad sang professionally on the weekends at the Bath Hotel and I've been trying to find info about the hotel, but no luck.

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    1. I was also born in stobhill hospital 1955

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  25. Was born down the butney,Lochgilp st but I can never find photographs of that streetwe lost all our photos years ago, so if anyone has some to show i would love to look at them . Jimmy Still

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    1. Would you be the James Still who slid down a Telegraph Pole, and got a huge Skelf through your hand ?
      My Da was the neighbour who removed it. If I remember correctly, that was the day your Mother discovered you smoked.

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  26. I was born in maryhill, my first home was 22 lochgilp street(old lochgilp st). I left there in 1958 to live in Drumchapel. I've been trying to find pictures of the old St.Marys chapel which was on maryhill road. It was demolished and the immaculate conception was built further along maryhill road opposite maryhill park, which has also been demolished. Glad to say the park is still there.

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  27. my father and mother were born in maryhill my grandfather used to drive the hearse in they days it was 6 black horses and carriage out of the yard at the top of sandbank st it was a haulage yard in later years owned by a relative of mine my father's sister stayed up the pen opposite the white house pub she had a small holding with pig's and chickens it's lon5 gone now it a block of flats my grandfather was a steam engine driver at dawsholm sheds it's long gone now my grandmother worked in maclellins rubber works and my mother worked in Bryant & Mays at ruchill

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  28. I was born in Redlands hospital in 1969. First lived up 24 Campbell Street before moving to Cadder. Anyone remember Nancy's shop? The allotments were at the back of our close and the lane took you down to the wee bridge where you risked your life every time you walked under it. Maryhill Football club at the end of the road before entering Maryhill road at Gairbraid avenue. The wee 24 bus that went up and down Sandbank street. My granny lived up 9 Craigmount drive. The scrap yard on the opposite corner. Who went to NK school. I was there 1980-86, only the top building remaining and now flats! Along with the wee lane that ran through the schools 4 buildings linking Oban drive to Maryhill road. I loved my Maryhill childhood and my heart remains in Glasgow til this day...even though I bide south of the border

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    1. I was brought up in Campbell Street but on the opposite side, I was there from 1957 to 1974 ish when they were knocked down and we went to Summerston.I went to Maryhill Primary 1962 to 1969 and both my grandmothers lived in 52 Viewmount Drive. One was heavikly involved in the allotments where she ran the social side.Lots of memories of the 60's in Gilshie.

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    2. I also went to Maryhill Primary from 1962 to 1969 and have many memories of the pupils and teachers. I lived on Maryhill Road from 1957 to 1969.

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  29. I was born in the tenements on Oarn Street in 1952. We moved to the USA in 1957. I would really like to see pictures of the old place when we lived there. We were right across from the old bomb shelters as I remember. Great job on your blog! Bill Patterson

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  30. Does anyone remember a Fishing Tackle shop,on Maryhill Road,in the 1960's.
    It was owned by Jimmy Mcgill.
    Here's hoping,Alan Smith

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  31. Thank-you Glasgow Punter. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this I was born In the Wyndford in 1968, moved away in 1990

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  32. Thank you very much ✨

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  33. Lived in Duncruin St, closest to Maryhill Rd, from (birth) 1952 - 1960, remember punters being chased from the bookies ( illegal then) on Maryhill road, through our back courts by the polis and watching them flung into the back of police vans. Attended Gilshochill primary from 1957 - 1960 then move with the overspill to Haddington.

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  34. I grew up in the Valley Guthrie St to be exact

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  35. My name is Robert Stevenson and I grew up in Seamore Street and went to Napiershall Primary School until 1963. I remember many of the people who lived in the street and the shopowners. It was a community.

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  36. A couple of year late Smiddy, but yea I remember you and the rest all hanging about Roland street when the houses were about to be demolished, I also remember Dougie Welsh & Hairyman (Terry Rodden?) Not sure if you remember me I moved to Craigmont drive from Roland street last year of primary, but then started hanging aboot down the "Fernie" again with you all in when we were in our teens, my teens, I am Franks cousin

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